Sam Chand

Leadership Fitness and the Fallacy of Balance

About The Episode


“You will grow only to the threshold of your pain.” Meet Sam Chand, author and leadership consultant who serves leaders worldwide as they seek personal and organizational growth. Sam expands on the topic of leadership pain in today’s episode. He asks pastors two key questions when discerning their leadership health. And while there is no such thing as “balance” in ministry, listen to Sam’s wisdom in navigating health amid “ministry spurts.”

Welcome to Episode 101 of the Leaders in Living Rooms Podcast with Sean Morgan.

Insights From Sam Chand


  • You will grow only to the threshold of your pain.


  • Maintaining better leadership health comes down to marriage and money.
  • Marriage
    • Not your family, your marriage.
    • Are you growing together?
    • Academically, recreationally, and emotionally
  • Money
    • Income streams
    • Insurance
    • Working toward being debt-free
  • Challenges to maintaining healthy marriage and money
    • Who are your friends?
    • Where do you go together to grow?
    • How transparent are you about money?
    • Money planning: The best decision Sam made was to consult a financial planner.
      • Hire a professional.
      • Find a fiduciary (their interests do not come before yours).
      • Choose a fee-based (not a percentage-based).
      • Believe and follow them, or choose someone else.


  • Ministry comes in spurts.
  • People don’t schedule crises.
    • As balanced as you are, there are spurts of ministry that fall out of balance.
  • Lean into the moments with family. Make deposits when you can. 
  • Build margin into your life. 
    • What do you need to do differently?
    • What do you need to change about yourself? (Self-perceptions)
    • Who are the new voices you need and who are the old voices you need to diminish?


  • You cannot be boss and friend at the same time.
  • You need to ask: Can I live with the fact that these people who are my friends will misunderstand me and eventually leave me? Is it a sacrifice you’re willing to make? When it does work out, it’s because of calling over career.

Episode Links

Leadership Pain, by Sam Chand

Avail Journal

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Who is Sam Chand?

Who would have thought, when in 1973 “student” Sam Chand was serving his college as janitor, cook and dishwasher that he would return in 1989 as “President” of the same college! Now as a leadership consultant he serves leaders all over the world as they seek personal and organizational growth and change. Thus far, he has written over 25 books on the subject of leadership, is the publisher of the AVAIL Journal, and has been named to the top 30 Global Leadership Gurus list. He has been married to his wife, Brenda, since 1979 and together, their vision is to help others succeed.


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Quotes From Episode

“You will grow only to the threshold of your pain.”

“The greatest enemy of change is shame.”

“There is no such thing as balance in ministry.”

“You cannot be boss and friend at the same time.”

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Sean Morgan is a coach and speaker with a national reputation as a catalyst of fresh vision. His passion is to help ministries navigate obstacles and turn them into opportunities.

Throughout his career, Sean has pioneered initiatives impacting thousands of leaders across the country. He started out serving as Executive Pastor and CFO at New Life Church in northern California.

As host, Sean gives you access to amazing conversations, hard-won wisdom, and poignant insights from world-class leaders in intimate “living room” settings.

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