Jenni Catron

“Healthy AND High Performing”

About The Episode


Clarity, trust, and connection. These are the building blocks of a healthy team culture. Meet Jenni Catron, a leadership coach, author, and speaker passionate about cultivating healthy leaders to lead thriving organizations. In today’s episode, you’ll learn about striking a balance between shouldering the responsibility, but not all the weight, of course-correcting a culture toward healthy.

Welcome to Episode 110 of the Leaders in Living Rooms Podcast with Sean Morgan.

Insights from Jenni



  • Who are we and how we work together to achieve our mission
  • We rarely spend time defining our culture
    • If you haven’t defined your culture, you don’t know what “healthy” is.
  • Key ingredients for a healthy culture
    • Clarity on how we work together
    • Trust
    • Connection/belonging


  • Getting a pulse on your culture is challenging
    • You’re likely seeing the best of the culture, and your team is seeing differently
  • Tools will never tell you the full story
    • Use the assessment, but include additional “pulse points” for a holistic view


  • Regularly get a pulse point on culture (annually or bi-annually)
  • Elders should be seeing exit reviews from key staff members leaving
  • Annual review of pastor with direct reports


  • The church body is a family. The church staff is a team. It’s important to keep this distinction, and it’s challenging!


  • There’s humility in realizing something is not right.
  • It’s rarely 100% a reflection of the leader.
  • Culture really needs a system to protect it.
  • Don’t bear all the weight, but feel the responsibility to lead through it.
  • You can’t assign “culture” to one person. 
    • Don’t just delegate it if it’s broken.

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Who is Jenni Catron?

Jenni Catron is a leadership coach, author and speaker. Her passion is to cultivate healthy leaders to lead thriving organizations. She speaks at conferences and events nationwide, seeking to help leaders develop the clarity and confidence to lead well. As Founder and CEO of The 4Sight Group, she consults organizations on leadership, team culture and organizational health. With over 20 years experience in corporate and non-profit organizations, Jenni has a passion for helping leaders “put feet to their vision”. Jenni is the author of several books including Clout: Discover and Unleash Your God-Given Influence and The 4 Dimensions of Extraordinary Leadership. She loves a fabulous cup of tea, great books, learning the game of tennis and hiking with her husband. Jenni can be found on social media at @jennicatron and at


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About the Host

Sean Morgan is a coach and speaker with a national reputation as a catalyst of fresh vision. His passion is to help ministries navigate obstacles and turn them into opportunities.

Throughout his career, Sean has pioneered initiatives impacting thousands of leaders across the country. He started out serving as Executive Pastor and CFO at New Life Church in northern California.

As host, Sean gives you access to amazing conversations, hard-won wisdom, and poignant insights from world-class leaders in intimate “living room” settings.

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Leaders in Living Rooms
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