Daniel Im

Avoiding Being a Leadership Chameleon

About The Episode


“Church growth isn’t what’s propelling us forward—it’s the Great Commission.” Meet Daniel Im, pastor, Bible teacher, writer, and podcast host with a passion for the local church. In this episode, Sean and Daniel explore the delicate balance between pastoral care and visionary leadership, emphasizing the importance of maintaining both to avoid becoming stagnant. Daniel shares his insights on the evolving dynamics of discipleship and evangelism, arguing for a reliance on the Holy Spirit’s work in sparking interest in the things of God. 

Welcome to Episode 109 of the Leaders in Living Rooms Podcast with Sean Morgan.

Insights from Daniel


Balancing Vision and Care: 

Leading effectively in ministry requires a balance between maintaining a forward-looking vision and providing pastoral care. Leaders must drive the mission forward while ensuring they care for their congregation.

Mission vs. Growth: 

The primary motivation for church activities should be the Great Commission, not just church growth. Focusing solely on growth can lead to complacency and irrelevance.

Managing and Shepherding: Ministry involves both management and shepherding. Leaders must manage logistical aspects like events and schedules while also providing emotional and spiritual support to their members.

Seasons of Leadership: 

Different seasons require different leadership approaches. For instance, during crises, a church may need more pastoral care, while in stable times, a more visionary approach may be needed.

Maintaining Margin: 

Leaders must protect their personal and family time, even during demanding seasons. Without margin, leaders risk burnout and are less effective in their roles.

Holy Spirit’s Role in Generating Interest: 

The Holy Spirit, not human effort, stirs interest in spirituality and God. Leaders should trust in the Holy Spirit’s work and focus on planting and watering seeds of faith.

Discipleship Metrics: 

Effective discipleship involves more than just attendance metrics. Churches should focus on leading indicators like active engagement in gathering, growing, giving, and going. This holistic approach helps assess true discipleship and spiritual maturity.

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Who is Daniel Im?

Daniel Im is a pastor, Bible teacher, writer, and podcast host with a passion for the local church. He is the lead pastor of Beulah Alliance Church and the author of The Discipleship Opportunity, No Silver Bullets, Planting Missional Churches, and You Are What You Do: And Six Other Lies about Work, Life, and Love. He lives in Edmonton, Alberta with his wife Christina and their three children. For more information, visit danielim.com and connect with him on social media @danielsangi.


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About the Host

Sean Morgan is a coach and speaker with a national reputation as a catalyst of fresh vision. His passion is to help ministries navigate obstacles and turn them into opportunities.

Throughout his career, Sean has pioneered initiatives impacting thousands of leaders across the country. He started out serving as Executive Pastor and CFO at New Life Church in northern California.

As host, Sean gives you access to amazing conversations, hard-won wisdom, and poignant insights from world-class leaders in intimate “living room” settings.

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